Bayern 1 – 1 Dortmund

By: Angela | August 23rd, 2008

Angela is not happy. I will not even go into the lengths to why Mark getting red for this match was so utterly ridiculous. At this point, I am convinced he is carded simply because he is Mark van Bommel and has a previous reputation for being bad. He has come a long way, last season was a vast improvement in behavior. The cards that were issued against Bayern were downright ridiculous. The card against Luca Toni just baffled me. Of course, it’s his fault that he was shoved by a Dortmund player. By all means, issue him a yellow. He was asking for it.

Lell is quickly becoming the object of my disdain. Surpassing Lucio and making me seethe with more anger than I thought was possible. The things that he pulls are so incredibly un-sportsman like and I am completely ashamed to have him on a team that I support. He continually goes unpunished for things that other people get booked on. He is getting more and more aggressive and unfortunately it’s probably going to take someone getting hurt before he is punished for it. I do not like players like him. I do not like dirty players. He is the epitome of a dirty player. He goes unpunished; Mark gets punished for breathing. Talk about lopsided. At least my problem with Lucio is that he just tends to stand around a lot. My problem with Lell is that he actually appears to want to hurt people. And people talk about Mark’s anger. Lell needs a little bit of anger management on and off the pitch, but I won’t go there.

I keep hoping that Klinsmann has some grand plan up his sleeve and that I’ll see, at least, a glimpse of the team Bayern are certainly capable of being, but each game I am left frustrated by their lack of coordination, lack of passing, lack of control and lack of attacking. Granted, a lot of things went against them today. The amount of yellows issued to them was absurd. If I had only just come into the world that is the Bundesliga, there is no way that you could convince me that this is the same team that won the double last season.

The second half they showed some promise, but they were still quite disheveled. Dortmund was the better team and after watching Bayern play today, I’d be happy with a mid-table finish at the end of the season. I know it’s early, but they’ve got a lot of work to do. Klinsmann has got a lot of work to do. The loss of Ribery is killing them and making them weak. Toni will need a couple matches to get back. Klose is a mere shadow of himself. Podolski is good when he wants to be, but unfortunately he’s content with just showing up most of the time. van Buyten had a good showing today. All too often Lucio just stands around and looks stupid when the ball comes near him. I keep hearing how he use to be such a great player (I wasn’t watching then) and I am moderately frustrated by his continual screw ups and lack of ability to show that former great player. Lell is a dirty rotten player and I want him gone. Kroos has potential but he’s so green that he makes a lot of rookie mistakes. Rensing looks like he’s lost all confidence between the pipes and he’s shakey at best. I am starting to question his ability to be the constant number 1. I know he has potential, but I am missing the way he use to defend his goal. Kahn is gone, he was handed the number 1 and given no competition. He has no reason to prove himself and he has lost that Rensing flair. It’s a very sad day when I have to say that the saving grace of the match came in the form of Schweinsteiger and Borowski. They are the only ones that stood out.

Here’s hoping Demichelis will come back and whip the defense into shape, Ribery will come back and breathe some new life into the team and Klinsmann will figure out exactly what it is that makes this team tick and they will start to look like they did last season because currently, this is painful to watch. Which, one would hope, will lead to the potentials, Kroos and Rensing namely, getting their chance to shine. Right now, the team is in such a state of disarray that potential doesn’t matter. Chaos has taken over.

// J. Blaszczykowski (9′), T. Borowski (74′)
// M. van Bommel (20′), A. Rukavina (35′), M. Hummels (68′), L. Toni (73′), T. Kroos (81′), P. Lahm (85′)
// M. van Bommel (23′)






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  • Angela |  August 23rd, 2008 at 12:15 pm

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    Luke: Completely agree with you on Lahm and Klose. Klose a shadow of himself and until he can find some form, he needs to be on the bench. I’m not saying Klinsmann doesn’t know what he’s doing. I’m sure he does, but the team looks a mess right now. The second half was a better one, but it still was quite an unfortunate display.

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  • John |  August 23rd, 2008 at 3:56 pm

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    I was looking forward to this match after the Hamburg match where poor and disorganized. After watching this match i finally found out what was wrong with Bayern. Klinnsman has not settled on the way he wants Bayern to play yet. Against Hamburg he had Bayern push as far as they could up the field. this match Bayern did not push up very far, which tells me that Klinsmann is still looking to work out just how attacking Bayern should be. playing deeper than they did against Hamburg, Bayern looked much better on the ball and used the space created by Dortmund’s players having to push forward in order to get the ball. Bayern’s problems were in the attacking third and the defensive third. Klinnsman does not believe in man marking so Bayern’s Defenders don’t stick to players, instead because of the Klinnsman’s zonal marking scheme defenders only follow players till their out of that players section of the zone. Thats the reason why Bayern conceded 3 goals in 2 matches with such a static defensive system, player’s are simply passing the ball around Bayern’s defenders. Dortmund’s goal was a prime example when Lucio missed his tackle, instead of marking Kuba directly when Lucio went to make the tackle he stood off of Kuba so when Kuba got the Ball he had space and time to shoot. Zonal marking creates too much space. i thought Lell and Lahm were concentrating on defending which was not a bad thing since they let in too many crosses against Hamburg. the offense was still stagnant i don’t think Klose had a single shot on goal and Tony was begging for the ball most of the game. There is a serious lack of creativity and it is stopping the strikers from getting the ball. Ribery seems to be the only creative player at Bayern. Altintop seemed out of sorts and although he crossed the ball well he did little else. Schweinsteiger lacks any creative ability whatsoever and is more of a forward than a winger. so while Bayern attacked Dortmund and made good use of space because of the lack of creativity nothing happened in the attacking third. van Bommel’s sending off was justified as the second hand swing offense was unnecessary defensive midfielders have to be physical but you don’t do that sort of thing with a linesman so close. Bayern scored because they kept the pressure up despite a lack opportunities in open play. they were not particularly dangerous from corners but with the sheer number of corners they won they finally scored. Overall Klinsmann must stop experimenting with Bayern, get Bayern’s offense running properly and stop Bayern from playing zonal defense that has no place in modern football. If this is not done it will be 3 points from 3 games next week.

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  • Jan |  August 23rd, 2008 at 4:35 pm

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    “stop Bayern from playing zonal defense that has no place in modern football.”

    Most if not all teams nowadays use a flexible zonal defense, with players automatically switching to man marking once the action comes close to the box or during set pieces. Bayern played zonal defense last season, when they broke Bremen’s age old defensive record. It’s more a question of communication and organisation and a problem of poor form.

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  • Luke |  August 23rd, 2008 at 5:46 pm

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    On Jan’s comment about communication: Particularly with the pairing of Van Buyten and Lucio, one can see time and again that they don’t communicate with each other well at all–or else they are doing it in some neutral language that neither understands well. At least in my observation, this problem does not occur between Demichelis and Lucio.

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  • richard |  August 23rd, 2008 at 8:02 pm

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    it is frightening how dependent on Ribery this team has become.

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  • John |  August 23rd, 2008 at 8:06 pm

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    Jan Bayern did not play a zonal defense last season. Demachelis is one of the best “markers” in the world it was his job last season to be the aggressive “marker” and chase down and take on opposing forwards. Hitzfeld believes strongly in man marking and back when Robert Kovac was in his prime he was often hailed by Hitzfeld as the best marker in Germany, Uli Hoeneß once said that if anyone can mark Ronaldo it was Kovac. Italian catenaccio is based on man marking and is used by the Italian national team, Inter also played catenaccio when they beat Bayern in the pre-season most Italian teams play variations of catenaccio, Spanish Team’s only use zonal marking for set pieces, and will often resort to having their defenders “collapse” on a single player which is the opposite to zone where players are supposed to never break rank. some German coaches like Klinsmann believe zonal marking is more efficient and scientific. thing is in zonal marking like Klinsmann uses each defender is autonomous and has a spot to cover no defender helps another and there is little to no communication because defenders operate on a static predetermined template. though Lucio and van Buyten’s defensive styles of play clash, miscommunication did not cause any of Hamburgs goals or Dortmund’s goal today. Klinsmann belief in philosophy over practicality has lead him to adopt a defensive scheme that has been proven to fail by others before him.

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  • Lynn |  August 23rd, 2008 at 11:54 pm

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    I don’t know what to say. I’m… speechless. This team is a mere shadow of the team I supported last season! Instead of focusing on how the defense is in shambles, I’m even more worried by how the offense is so… reluctant! I’m so pessimistic I too thought the same thing as you, Angela: Bayern may end up finishing mid-table. But since I’ve been told pessimism is not good for you, I guess we can take comfort in the fact that Bayern doesn’t have the easiest first two opening matches around, playing against good teams while the team form is still not at its peak, and like what everyone’s saying, Klinsmann’s ‘philosophy’ isn’t gonna be implemented in one night. I think I’ll watch a few more games to decide if my pessimism is proven right–but if I were Klinsmann, I’d be pretty worried with my employment status.

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  • Angela |  August 24th, 2008 at 10:22 am

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    Lynn: I agree its early and the first two teams were tough ones, but if they continue to play like they did yesterday, mid table is going to be a blessing. That is me being optimistic ;) Unless they get it together, they’re going to have much bigger issues.

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  • Elizabeth |  August 25th, 2008 at 7:44 am

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    OK – most of what I wanted to say has been said, and a lot of interesting ideas are up on the board.

    I’ll just add one little comment, then, regarding the yellow card for Toni. Some time after the card was shown, German TV quickly showed what happened AFTER the foul. Toni went very agressively up in the goalkeeper’s face, and completely lost his sportsmanship. That’s what he got his yellow for.

    I pity the referees, they often see more than we do on TV, and from different angles.

    And as sad as it may be, MvB KNOWS that he’s being watched. Which makes the his fouls even less forgivable. The veteran, and captain that he is needs to adjust his playing style to this reality, fair or not, or he’s going to spend a lot of time on the bench.

    OK – one more comment— I think most of us forgot we were playing 1 man down in the 2nd half. Given how motivated Dortmund played, given the incredible atmosphere in their stadium, given that we were 1 man down, I was satisfied with the game.

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  • MUTU |  August 25th, 2008 at 11:49 am

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    I believe that both cards on Van Bommel were fair. It’s true that sometimes other players get away with it, but you can’t possibly say that the cards in the last match were harsh. They were fully deserving of a yellow, and I’ve seen plenty of players getting a straight red for the first challenge that he did.

    I’m worried about him being our captain. It’s true that he spurs the team on, but when a team loses their captain to a red card, it’s a blow to their confidence. Also, with Kroos showing potential and Ze Roberto miles ahead of him, I have doubts on whether he is indeed indispensable to the club. A captain should be that type of player.

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  • Luke |  August 25th, 2008 at 12:25 pm

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    Here are two things to be happy about:

    Bayern drew a home match with Nürnberg for the 2nd round of the DFB-Pokal. Although league results never reflect entirely accurately on the Pokal, Nürnberg has managed just 3 Bundesliga era wins in Munich. This is a relatively easy draw, and a Bayern-Derby to boot, when it appeared this season might not have one at all. Perhaps there will be another if Augsburg can get past Leverkusen.

    If the sight of a revamped Hertha Berlin gives you any pause, just remember–the historical record is even weaker for them, as they’ve managed only 2 league wins in Munich in the last 45 years.

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  • Angela |  August 25th, 2008 at 6:50 pm

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    Elizabeth: The fact that he’s being watched doesn’t mean he should change his style of play. The fact that he’s being watched, in my opinion, means that the refs are being unfair. It’s just my opinion on the matter. And I don’t care what anyone says, Demichelis is not ready to be Captain. He is fabulous in defense but he’s not a leader.

    Mutu: He is the best choice for the captain for several reasons. No one else on that team gives their life to the team. There are others who give half, but last season when Kahn was falling apart as Capt. no one else, except van Bommel, stepped up and took care of business. Yes, he’s aggressive, but regressing to what I said to Elizabeth, the fact that he’s watched more than other players says it all and it’s unfair. He’s come a long way and people seem to like to forgot how much of an improvement he’s made over previous seasons.

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  • Angela |  August 25th, 2008 at 6:50 pm

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    Luke: I think I’m going to become your biggest fan. :)

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  • MUTU |  August 26th, 2008 at 1:51 am

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    Angela, it’s true that he has by far the best leadership and influence skills in the team, but that shouldn’t be the only factors involved in the choice of the captain.

    I do agree he’s still the best man for the job. I was rather pointing at our lack of better options. To me, Van Bommel is simply the least worst of the pack.

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  • John |  August 26th, 2008 at 7:36 am

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    it seems like van Bommel has been given a serious talking to by the Bayern higher ups see http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=834728 which is to be expected. Bayern’s management says they will be patient with Klinsmann but i expect that patience to correlate with how well Shalke and Werder Bremen perform so far the have not started that well so there is still time for Bayern to recover.

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  • Angela |  August 26th, 2008 at 9:07 am

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    Mutu: If van Bommel isn’t Captain, it would go to Lucio and while it’s no secret how I feel about him, I really don’t see him in a leadership role. Who would you pick if it weren’t van Bommel?

    John: I seen that. I still don’t think anyone else can be as good a Captain as he can be. It’s unfair that he is watched the way he is and I’m sure he’ll recover because leadership is a big part of who he is and what he wants to be for Bayern. The team itself is off to a rocky start, but here’s hoping they’ll pull it together.

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  • John |  August 27th, 2008 at 9:04 am

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    Altintop is now out for a few weeks, clearly he was rushed back to play after what happened with Hamburg when he was not ready. this is a major hit for Bayern’s offense next to Ribery he is Bayern’s next best winger as he can create plays something which Schweinsteiger and Kroos have problems doing.

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  • Luke |  August 27th, 2008 at 12:23 pm

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    Altintop’s injury is an opportunity for Sosa. Let’s see if he takes advantage of it. I still don’t think Klinsmann is to apt to use Kroos for 90 minutes every week just yet, and I can see the scenario where Kroos and Klose come on in the 2nd half of matches and give the team a big lift.

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  • John |  August 27th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

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    well Jansen is going to Hamburg which might seem like a minor thing but Bayern now don’t have a back up left back. i believe Klinsmann is directly responsible for that unlike Hitzfeld, Klinsmann does not have any use for defensive specialist players.
    Luke: Sosa has not trained with the team yet and judging from how the rest of the team is having such a hard time understanding what Klinsmann wants them to do, so Sosa will probably suffer like the rest of the team.

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  • Angela |  August 27th, 2008 at 8:44 pm

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    John: I was surprised to see the transfer of Jansen. I can understand his wanting to go though because he was definitely under-utilized. I’m sad to see him go, but wish him luck.

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  • erin |  August 28th, 2008 at 7:56 am

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    they’ve picked up oddo on loan.

    http://www.fcbayern.t-home.de/en/news/news/2008/16836.php

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  • John |  August 28th, 2008 at 9:50 am

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    how does it make sense to allow a 22 year old to leave and then replace him with a 32 year old. instead off selling Jansen Bayern’s directors should have told Klinsmann stop alienating Jansen.

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  • Shane |  August 28th, 2008 at 9:52 am

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    Champions League draw looks good:

    Lyon (arguably the weakest pot 1 team)
    Bayern Munich
    Steaua Bucharest (weaker pot 3)
    Fiorentina (ewww was really hoping to avoid them from pot 4)

    If we can’t get out of that group I’ll be embarassed. We really should be able to win it.

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  • John |  August 28th, 2008 at 10:07 am

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    Bayern got in an easy champions league group. see http://www.uefa.com/competitions/ucl/news/kind=1/newsid=743094.html though Lyon are the primer counterattacking side in Europe and will definitely cause problems for Bayern now that they have adopted Klinsmann’s ultra attacking style.

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  • Lynn |  August 28th, 2008 at 8:07 pm

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    I may be biased (my French class and teacher are mostly Lyon supporters so this fondness of Lyon had rubbed off on me) but I don’t think Lyon as “weak” at all. Sure, the L1 may not seem competitive to some people, but last season, Lyon put up quite a fight against eventual champions ManU. Under new manager Puel, Lyon’s defense seems to be improving while their offense as dangerous as ever. In fact, if Lyon keeps their good form and Bayern improve, I’d expect an exciting match between two domestic league champions! (then again i may be biased :D )

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